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Sarah Wade - Leicester St Margaret

Postby Truebrit » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:42 pm

Hi

Can anyone spot the 1841 census for Sarah Wade. Sarah married William Wade in 1803 in Leicester although her age appears as born between 1794-1797 in the census, unless there were two William and Sarah Wades in Leicester!

Sarah is likely to have been born around 1785 and in 1851 was a widow living in St Margarets, Leicester with her married daughter Hannah Foster aged 36 (although born 1812), daughter Eliza (born 1836) and son William (born 1829). She says she is born in Hinckley, around 1797

In 1861, she is still in St Margarets, Leicester, living with daughter Eliza. She says that she is born in St Margarets, Leicester, around 1794.

I have not found a burial for her husband William Wade before 1851, although am wondering if the death of a William Wade in 1840 in the Hinckley district may be her husband?

Can anybody help with her 1841 census, which may help with it all, or with any other clues?

Regards

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Re: Sarah Wade - Leicester St Margaret

Postby sdup26 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:08 pm

If Sarah married William in 1803, it's hardly likely she was born 1794-1797. However, she's fairly consistent with her age, so before we decide she's got it wrong, is there any chance the Sarah on the 1851 census is not the Sarah who gave birth to Hannah? That is, did William marry a Sarah, mother of Hannah, who died, then he married another Sarah? I wondered because on the 1851 census with Sarah, there's Hannah b1812, William 1829, and Eliza 1836, described as 'daughter' and 'son' and it's not uncommon to find stepchildren referred to as birth children on censuses. But if that theory doesn't hold, and there really were 17 years between Hannah and William, and 24 years between Hannah and Eliza, did Sarah have other children she might have been living with in 1841?

Otherwise, no luck. As you'll know, some of the 1841 census for Leics is very faint and almost impossible to read, so I offer one little crumb: Sarah ?W.... aged 40, living in London Road, St Margaret, Leics in 1841, with Elizabeth Chamberlain
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Re: Sarah Wade - Leicester St Margaret

Postby Truebrit » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:04 pm

Hi

Thank-you for your response.

Like you i have wondered if this is the same Sarah who married William Wade at St Margaret, Leicester on 28th November 1803.

However, i have found lots of children baptised or having a connection to William and Sarah Wade between 1806 and 1836 and this range of children does tie in somewhat with the 1851 and 1861 census’ for Sarah – even if her age doesn’t.

The children i have found in Leicester are as follows:

William – bap 24/08/1806 at St Margarets, buried 16/07/1809

Henry – bap 26/12/1808 at St Margarets

Hannah – bap 28/12/1812 at St Mary De Castro married a Mr Foster died 1877 (on 1851 census with mother)

Shadrack – bap 26/04/1813 at St Margarets, moved to Missouri and died in 1899

Charlotte – bap 20/5/1814 at St Mary De Castro

Joshua – bap 07/03/1816, buried 1901

Charlotte (2?) bap 22/09/1818 at St Margarets

James – bap 19/01/1820 at St Mary, buried 1890

Sarah – bap 27/02/1822 at St Margaret

Caroline – buried 09/10/1828 aged 1

William – born abt 1829 (no baptism found) buried 1901 (on 1851 census with mother)

George – buried 19/11/1835 aged 3

Eliza – bap 15/03/1837 at St Margaret (on 1851 and 1861 census with mother)

I cannot find another William and Sarah Wade marriage, or a burial for another Sarah, so I am thinking that Sarah was perhaps very young when she married, perhaps aged 16, and so a 30 year window of having children would still be possible. Sarah appears to have died in 1866 and is buried at Welford Road, in a grave with unrelated people.

Not sure if that helps although i am not sure where else to look.

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Re: Sarah Wade - Leicester St Margaret

Postby ianbee » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:41 pm

Sarah Kitchner married William Wade in Leicester in 1803
Have you found a baptism of a Sarah - or anyone - of that name or anything like it in Hinckley?

From the number of these Leicester baptisms in a short space of time, there must have been two couples (at least) called William + Sarah Wade having children there. Possibly one couple in St Mary, one in St Margaret. Have you seen all these baptisms? What was the occupation of your William Wade?
Remember, Leicester parish registers are coming online in the near future!

Hannah Wade
birth: 18 December 1812
christening: 28 December 1812
Saint Mary de Castro, Leicester
Father's Name: Wm. Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah

Shadrac Wade
Christening Date: 26 April 1813
St. Margaret, Leicester
Father's Name: Wm. Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah

Charlote Wyatt Or Wade
Christening Date: 20 May 1814
Saint Mary de Castro, Leicester
Father's Name: Wm. Wyatt Or Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah

Mary Ann Wade
Christening Date: 13 February 1815
St. Margaret, Leicester
Father's Name: Wm. Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah

Joshua Wade
Christening Date: 7 March 1816
St. Margaret, Leicester
Father's Name: William Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah

Sarah Wade
Christening Date 20 May 1816
Saint Mary de Castro, Leicester
Father's Name: Wm. Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah
(Death Date: 5 March 1818)

Harriott Wade
Christening Date: 15 October 1817
Saint Mary de Castro, Leicester
Father's Name: Wm. Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah

Charlotte Wade
Christening Date: 22 September 1818
St Margaret, Leicester
Father's Name: Wm. Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah

Eight baptisms in six years (unless I missed one!)
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Re: Sarah Wade - Leicester St Margaret

Postby sdup26 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:41 pm

As ianbee says, a William Wade married Sarah Kitchner in 1803 in St Margaret's, which fits with your William's marriage in 1803, but there's a tree on ancestry that messes things up. With all the usual reservations about ancestry trees, there's a US tree for Shadrach Wade b1813, which names his father as William Wade and mother as Sarah nee Kitchiner. So far, so good - but his siblings are named as Sarah b1816, Harriott 1817, and Thomas 1820, who aren't on the list you gave.

Regarding that list, do you know why William and Sarah would baptise their children in different churches? Some in St Margaret's, some in St Mary (is that St Mary Barwell?) and others in St Mary de Castro, 14 miles from Hinckley.

My first instinct when I saw the 1851 census, which has Sarah living with Hannah, Eliza and William, was that Hannah was the mother of William and Eliza before she married, and the terms daughter and son for Eliza and William in relation to Sarah, should have been grand-dau/grandson. However, baptisms for William and Eliza show their parents as William and Sarah. You may know there's a marriage for a Hannah Wade to William Foster in Leicester, April 9th, 1832. After all that, sorry, but I still haven't found Sarah in 1841.
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Re: Sarah Wade - Leicester St Margaret

Postby ianbee » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:18 pm

Re the son William
William Wade
Christening Date: 29 May 1829
Christening Place: St. Margaret, Leicester
Father's Name: William Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah
(England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975)

There was an earlier Eliza!
Eliza Wade
Birth Date: 4 April 1811
Christening Date : 26 Apr 1811
Christening Place: St Margaret, Leicester
Father's Name: Wm. Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah
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Re: Sarah Wade - Leicester St Margaret

Postby ianbee » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:53 pm

Possibly,
William Wade (1) and Sarah Kitchner marry 1803 at St Margaret
followed by baptisms at St Margaret of
William 1806, Henry 1809, Eliza 1811, Shadrac 1813, Mary Ann 1815, Joshua 1816, Charlotte 1818

Second William Wade and Sarah
marriage n.k.
Baptisms at St Mary
Hannah (later Foster) 1812, Charlotte 1814, Sarah 1816, Harriott 1817, James 1820

After 1820 there are no more baptisms indexed at St Mary. And it is of course possible that one or both couples moved for a time into another parish. So the who belongs to who lists may not be entirely accurate. When we can see the actual parish registers we may have a better idea.

Hannah being the first child could fit better with Sarah's age, as given later, and cut down the improbably long time span of her children's births.
But as pointed out by sdup, there may be two Sarah's (or three, as there must surely have been two different couples!)

After 1820 we have (all at St Margaret)
Sarah Wade 1822 - possibly couple 1 (remembering the Sarah at St Mary in 1816, unless she died)

Then a five year gap on FS with no William and Sarah Wade baptisms on FS
followed by
Caroline, bap 2 May 1827
William, bap 29 May 1829
Reuben, bap 25 February 1831
(possibly all couple 2?)

and finally
Eliza Wade
Christening Date: 15 March 1837
Christening Place: St. Margaret's Church, Leicester
Birthplace: Wheat St.
Father's Name: William Wade
Mother's Name: Sarah
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Sarah Wade - Leicester St Margaret

Postby Truebrit » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:03 pm

Thank-you for your thoughts.

Now we just need another marriage to confirm the position!

From James Wade's marriage in 1845 to Elizabeth Moulding,his father William Wade is listed as a Woolcomber (James was also). James was from Belgrave gate at that time. So the Woolcomber trade may offer a clue perhaps if the baptism records can be checked!

Does anyone have access to Leicester baptisms for reference of a Woolcomber William or perhaps burials to help spot one for William Wade?

Certainly the family were a bit rough and ready - bigamy and pseudonyms later down the line - so perhaps the papers may help!

Head down time again....


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