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Postby GM123 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:47 pm

Trying to establish birth of 2xGt Grandmother Eliza, possibly born 1828-1830 near Ham, Richmond, Surrey. Her father John Coldread was a coachman. The family was illiterate so spellings and dates vary throughout records. Before her marriage to Alfred Jefferies in 1852 she appeared twice at Old Bailey. Have found 3 x possible John Coldread coachman but cannot tie them in. I believe Eliza had a younger sister, Sarah born around 1832 in Marylebone. Sarah married x3 and was witness as Sarah Richens to Eliza's marriage, as Sarah French at Eliza's son Edward's wedding and was looking after my granny Fanny Jefferies in 1881 after her mother had died. Unable to verify death either between 1861 and 1874. Her husband Alfred cohabited with Georgiana Kempson in 1871 and went on to marry her in 1874. They lived mainly around Paddington/Notting Hill. The 1851 census throws up a Northamptonshire connection but dead end so far. Any suggestions?
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Re: [b]Coldread/Coldrid/Calldred[/b]

Postby ciderdrinker » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:17 am

Have you seen the Coldred family of Westminster John ans Sarah coachman.
They married at St Anns Soho 5.5.1808
John Coldred and Sarah Sparrow wit Ann Crawford and Jos Davies
John and William bapt 19.5.1812 St George Hannover Square born 30th Aug and 5th March
Walter 19.1.1813 coachman Davies St born 10.12.1812
James Edward 30 Sep 1814 St James born 30.8.1814
Charles 17.1.1816 born 30.12.1815 Warwick St Golden Square at St James Piccadilly
Sarah 3.11.1817 born 27 Sep 1817 Warwick St coachman.
Edward 21.10.1819 born 1st Warwick st Servant
Mary 8.2.1822 St Marylebone
Susan 9.10.1824 born 16th July coachman Sackville St(buried 16.3.1834 at Ham Kingston age 12)
Could there be a second Sarah and younger Eliza?

1841 Oxford St St George Hannove Square
Thos Kenrick 20 stable keeper N
John Coldred 45 male servant N
Ann 20 FS N
Richard Wilson 40 MS N
Benjamin NK MS 20 N

Could that be her dad?
He died Dec 1848 Marylebone Vol 1 202
Burial st Mary lebone 21.12.1848 Workhouse age 62.

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Re: [b]Coldread/Coldrid/Calldred[/b]

Postby GM123 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:39 pm

Thanks Ciderdrinker. Yes, I have all of them. Eliza and Sarah may well be children of the first John but I cannot verify it. He seems to have remarried to Ann in 1842 (they both died in Marylebone workhouse 1848 and 1857). Or was his son John b 1808 in Ham their father? He was the one you found baptised later in London and he went on to marry in Shropshire and remained up there till death in workhouse near Derby. Both were coachman/grooms, as were many of the male children. It's trying to pin 'em down that's getting me. But thanks so much for replying.
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