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Re: James Rawes Parker - 1788-1843

Postby rfitzgerald1963 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:11 pm

not found any record of Mary after the 1841 census, do not know if this means she died as well?

all the suggestions about the late marriage/no marriage are possible but is have no idea how to test this theory and if i can't prove anything about marriage i can't get parents details which means i can't trace back any further :(

any more ideas, please update and will work on all options


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Re: James Rawes Parker - 1788-1843

Postby ianbee » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:55 pm

Could be the son George
1851
1516 folio 424 page 12
St James Clerkenwell
1 Union Place
George Parker Head Mar 40 Leather Case Maker, born Southwark
Mary Parker Wife Mar 41 Nottingham
Elizabeth Parker Daur 6 Scholar London

Baptism at St Mary Lambeth, 31 October 1844
Elizabeth
Daughter of George + Mary Parker
abode 5 Distaff Lane St Pauls Churchyd(?)
father a Pocket Book Maker
born Oct 20th
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Re: James Rawes Parker - 1788-1843

Postby sdup26 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:13 am

James and Mary's origins continue to be elusive. I even wondered if he was James Rawse and added the Parker name later, and still no luck. However, regarding that Coventry marriage entry (Elizabeth Rawes/George Parker 6/2/1786) there is a baptism for a 'male' Parker, son of Elizabeth and George Parker, 19/9/1787, in Allesley, Warwickshire.

Tried marriages after 1843 (to 1851) for a widowed Mary Ann Parker, because if she re-married after James' death, that should give her father's name, but the few I found were the wrong age.

In 1851, there's a Mary Ann Parker, widow aged 56 (b 1795) living in Charlwood St, Westminster, and she's a chandler shop keeper. If there's any chance it could be her, she says she was born in 'Holland, Arnon' - findmypast has transcribed this as 'Holland, Arnold.' This could be Holland the country (wasn't it called Netherlands at that time?) but maybe more likely to be the Holland in Surrey?
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Re: James Rawes Parker - 1788-1843

Postby rfitzgerald1963 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:38 am

The DOB would be about right, and have not found any other Rawes (Rawse) - Parker marriages that can make this naming piece make sense, this Coventry/Warwickshire link is looking likely to be the one but can't see how to confirm it, James named his first son George which if he followed the normal naming convention would mean this was his fathers name which again would support the George & Elizabeth being the parents. would be good to see if the Son Born 1787 was called James as that might be the extra support.


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Re: James Rawes Parker - 1788-1843

Postby AdrianB38 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:09 pm

"Holland, Arnon" - could this be Arnhem in the Netherlands? Just a thought if you can't make the place in Surrey work.

NB - Holland to the Netherlands, is like England to the United Kingdom. Arnhem is actually in the Dutch province of Gelderland, not Holland, but with the confusion, could have been written as Holland.

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Re: James Rawes Parker - 1788-1843

Postby paulr1949 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:51 am

sdup26 wrote:James and Mary's origins continue to be elusive. I even wondered if he was James Rawse and added the Parker name later, and still no luck. However, regarding that Coventry marriage entry (Elizabeth Rawes/George Parker 6/2/1786) there is a baptism for a 'male' Parker, son of Elizabeth and George Parker, 19/9/1787, in Allesley, Warwickshire.

Tried marriages after 1843 (to 1851) for a widowed Mary Ann Parker, because if she re-married after James' death, that should give her father's name, but the few I found were the wrong age.

In 1851, there's a Mary Ann Parker, widow aged 56 (b 1795) living in Charlwood St, Westminster, and she's a chandler shop keeper. If there's any chance it could be her, she says she was born in 'Holland, Arnon' - findmypast has transcribed this as 'Holland, Arnold.' This could be Holland the country (wasn't it called Netherlands at that time?) but maybe more likely to be the Holland in Surrey?

Holland is also a part of Lincolnshire!



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Re: James Rawes Parker - 1788-1843

Postby sdup26 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:55 am

It's very frustrating for you that there's no actual proof. But if you search for a James Rawse Parker born about 1788 on the main family history sites, it's your man who comes up. So if there's a Parker-Rawse marriage around the time of his birth, it's very suggestive. Apart from the 'male' Parker born to George Parker and Elizabeth Rawse in Allesley, there's also a John christened 1/4/1789, same parents, also in Allesley. I tried www.dustydocs.com (choose England/Warwickshire then enter Allesley) and there are Allesley Parish Registers listed, but I kept being timed out trying to access them. Is it worth considering contacting a researcher in the area?
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Re: James Rawes Parker - 1788-1843

Postby ianbee » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:29 am

It's a brilliant find by sdup.
The image of the Allesley PR is on ancestry.
Christenings in 1787
continues next folio
(beginning of name is hidden by the fold)
..es Son of George + Elizabeth Parker was bapt.(privately) Sepr. 19th

then next entry but one is
..s Parker was brought to Church October 16th Vid. Sepr. 19th
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Re: James Rawes Parker - 1788-1843

Postby sdup26 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:46 pm

There's an interesting Marriage Bond on findmypast, in the sum of £100, relating to the 1786 marriage of George Parker, bachelor aged 21, of the Parish of St Trinity in the City of Coventry, and Elizabeth Rawes, spinster aged 21, of the Parish of St Michael in the City of Coventry.
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Re: James Rawes Parker - 1788-1843

Postby sdup26 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:44 pm

The name ending in 'es' could be Charles, but compared with the other names disappearing into the fold, it might be too long, and James would fit better. But either way, there doesn't seem to be room in the fold for two names, that is, both a first name and Rawes. So if he's your James, did he, or his parents, add Rawes later? As there doesn't seem to be a marriage for a James Rawse Parker, maybe he was plain James on marriage.
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