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The Smiths of Hackney

Postby SDV » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:41 pm

In 1851 the Smith family were living at 10 Ebenezer Place, Hackney. The family consisted of William SMITH (49), a day labourer born in Hertfordshire, and his wife Charlotte (42), born in Edmonton. William was her second husband. They had four children: Lucy (13), Sarah (11), Jane (9) and William (7). All were scholars and born in Edmonton. There was also at this time George Smith (22), a nephew, who was single and a white smith, born in Edmonton.

I am having great difficulty in tracking down what happened to the children, not helped by the fact that the place the family was living at in 1861 (Wellington Street, Hackney) is missing from the census of that year.

Lucy Smith is accounted for more or less. She was born 1838, married William Henry Smith in 1858 and died of phthisis in 1860.

Sarah Ann SMITH is more problematic. She was born in 1839 and possibly working as a lady's maid in 1861 at Sanford Lane, Hackney. At least the age and place of birth match. After 1861 she disappears, presumably getting married, but who knows. I would really like to find out if she married and when she died.

Jane SMITH is even more problematic. She was born in 1841. There is simply no trace of her after 1851. Did she die before the 1861 census? If not, did she marry and when did she die?

William SMITH was born in 1844. There is a record in 1861 of a William SMITH, calling himself a gunsmith, of the right age and place of birth visiting another gunsmith and his family, at Duck Lane, Edmonton. But assuming this is him, there is no trace after this event. Once again, I would really like to find out whether he married and when he died.

Thanks, for any help anyone can offer.
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby sdup26 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:25 pm

You say the family lived in Wellington Street, Hackney in 1861, but the street is missing from the census. If there's no census evidence they were there, is there some other reason why you think they were in Hackney?
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby SDV » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:31 am

Yes, when Lucy died in 1860, the informant was David Dyer, her mother's third husband, who's address was Wellington Street, Hackney. Given that her death was less than 1 year earlier in Aug 1860, I think it is reasonable to assume that they were still there in Mar/Apr 1861. And indeed, they were still there in 1871.
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby sdup26 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:55 pm

I haven't forgotten it's the Smith children you're trying to trace, but got sidetracked by the relationships stated in the 1881 census (White Hart Lane, Tottenham). Charlotte Dyer aged 75 (1806), widow, b Edmonton, living with George and Mary Daniels, and described as 'mother-in-law' - is Mary a daughter of Charlotte from her first marriage?
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby SDV » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:41 pm

Yes. Charlotte HART married Charles GAME in 1822. They had five children Eliza (b 1823), Mary Ann (b 1825), Charles (b 1827), Charlotte (b 1829) and Emma (b c1834). Emma is the most problematic, as I can't find any record of her birth. Charles was then transported to Tasmania in 1834.

Charlotte GAME then married William SMITH in 1843. They had four children: Lucy, Sarah, Jane and William, as detailed above.

When William SMITH died in 1855, she married DAVID DYER.

The Mary Ann married to George Thomas DANIELS is indeed the daughter from the first marriage.

Charlotte may have been married three times, but seems to have kept in touch with her children. When her first husband was transported, the children of that marriage ended up in Edmonton workhouse, but seem to have remained in touch with their mother. In 1881, she was living with her daughter Mary Ann from her first marriage. And when she died, the informant was Charlotte, her daughter from her first maggiage.

I find Jane's total absence from the 1861 census when she would have been 19 very strange and really wonder whether she died in between the two censuses. As for Sarah Ann and William, I have no idea. I thought William being a "gunsmith" would have been relatively easy, but I can find no database of 19th century gunsmiths and no trace of him.

For locations Charlotte was living in Brunswick Court, Tottenham (1841), Ebenezer Place, Hackney (1851), Wellington Street, Hackney (1860), Wellington Street, Hackney (1871) and Whitehart Lane, Tottenham (1881). She died in White Hart Lane, Tottenham in 1881.
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:00 pm

Marriage at St James Shoreditch
23 Feby 1862
Thomas Watson, 23, Bachelor, Brickmaker, father Richard Watson, Labourer
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Sarah Ann Smith, 22, Spinster, father William Smith, Market Gardener
residence for both 4 John Street
after Banns
both marked
witnesses David Dyer, Charlotte Dyer(X)
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:11 pm

Amazingly enough, in 1871 the Watsons are living in the same house as a relative of mine, George Duncan from Dorking. Small world!
piece 315 folio 26 page 46
Hackney
Wellington St (no. 38?)
Thos Watson 31 Labourer, born Islington
Sarah Watson 31 Shacklewell
5 children

David and Charlotte Dyer are in the next house enumerated in Wellington Street (following page, schedule 287, no. 39?)
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:27 pm

Marriage at St James Shoreditch
12 Feby 1866
Richard Woolgar, 24, Bachelor, Labourer, residence 5 John Street Curtain Road, father Edward Woolgar Deceased, Tile Maker
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Jane Smith, 23, Spinster, residence 10 John Street (Curtain Road), father William Smith Deceased, Gardener
after Banns
groom signed, bride marked
witnesses David Dyer, Charlotte Dyer(X)

That's now three Smith marriages where David and Charlotte Dyer were the witnesses. Very fortunate for us!
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby sdup26 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:08 pm

Not sure about the William Smith, gunsmith in 1861. Could be - he's about the right age, although he says he was born in Tottenham. Have you ruled out the death of William Smith in April 1858, aged 13, (born c1845), and buried in Victoria Park Cemetery, Hackney?
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby SDV » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:44 am

Wow - ianbee, thank you for finding not one, but three Smith marriages. You obviously have the knack.

And thanks also sdup26, I will certainly follow up your suggestion.

Once I have absorbed this new information, I will probably be back seeking more help.

Thanks once again.
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