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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby SDV » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:09 am

The Smith girls didn't last long after they married. First Lucy, now Jane [d Q1 1871 Hackney 1b 324]. Hopefully, Sarah Ann lasted longer.

I now have Thomas and Sarah Ann in 1881 living at Devon Road, Tottenham with their 9 children. As of yet, I have still to find them in 1891.
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby SDV » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:26 pm

I have spent a few hours trying to build on this new information, especially for Sarah Ann and Jane.

Jane seems reasonably straight-forward. Having married Richard WOOLGAR in 1866, she died a few years later in 1871 in Hackney.

Sarah Ann is more difficult. In 1871, as discovered by ianbee, she is is living near her mother in Wellington Street, Hackney, with her husband and five children. In 1881, the family have moved to Devon Road, Tottenham, with her husband and her expanded family of now nine children. After 1881, I have not found anything: no census record for 1891, no death certificates or relevant marriage certificates. Suggestions?

As for William, I have yet to devote too much time to him, but hope to follow up sdup26's suggestion sometime next week.

It is so frustrating to move forward thanks to members of this forum and then hit yet more problems.
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby SDV » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:58 am

I am deeply puzzled as to why this family has disappeared from the records. Not only can I find no trace of Sarah Ann and her husband, but nor can I find any trace of their children. In the 1871 census they have five children (Sarah 8, Thomas 6, William 5, Elizabeth 3 and Joseph 10m). In the 1881 census, they have nine children (Sarah 18, Thomas 16, William 15, Elizabeth 13, Joseph 9, David 7, Louisa 5, Charlotte, 2 and Esther 1).

Local baptismal records suggest even more children. so presumably some died in infancy. Earlier children were baptised in Kingsland, Hackney. Later children at All Hallows in Tottenham.

The last address is Devon Road, Tottenham, when both parents are living with their nine children.

Then they disappear, both parents and children! Where can they be in 1891? Surely some of the children would have been alive in 1901, 1911 or even 1939?
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby sdup26 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:03 am

I hope this is one of the Watson children: Charlotte Watson (b1879) married Thomas Barnett - JQ 1895 Dartford, 2a 864. The marriage cert is pictured on ancestry, under Bexley C of E Marriages and Banns 1754-1935, and it shows Charlotte's father as Thomas Watson, labourer. A witness was Isabella Watson. The Barnett's are at Smiths Yard, Dartford, Kent in 1901, with children Thomas, William and Charlotte, and in 1911 there are 3 more children.
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby SDV » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:21 am

It could well be, certainly a tree on Ancestry suggests that it is true. But I have no idea who Isabella is, she isn't a sibling as far as I can see. She certainly isn't one of the 12 possible siblings I have identified.

Well if the next to youngest daughter is marrying in 1895 in Dartford, where are the rest of the family? I can't as of yet see them in the 1891 census.
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:32 am

In 1881 it says that the daughter, Sarah A, 18, is married. Although she is still recorded with the name Watson. It could be a mistake, of course. There is a marriage at St James Shoreditch, 3 October 1880,
Thomas William Wilkinson
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Sarah Ann Watson, 17, Spinster, father Thomas Watson, Brickmaker
witnessed by Thomas Watson, Sarah Ann Watson

The son Thomas Arthur Watson, born Tottenham 1871, could be around later. Has a wife Annie in the census, but I can't pin down a marriage.
He may have died June qtr 1918, Islington
Watson, Thomas A.
age 46
Thomas Arthur Watson, buried at Islington Cemetery, 21st May 1918
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby SDV » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:49 am

Thomas Watson was a brick-maker, so the marriage could well be correct.

Normally, when an entire family disappears, I suspect emigration, but this doesn't appear to be the case here. Certainly not if the above reports are correct.

I am having doubts about the Charlotte who married in Kent in 1895. For a start, I have looked at the 1891 census for Arthur Stree, Erith - the address for Charlotte on her wedding register - and she is not there. In 1891, she would have been 12/13, so should have been with her family. In 1895, by the way, she was claiming to be 19. Moreover, I have no idea about the identity of the witness Isabella Watson.
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:25 pm

The Wilkinsons are in West Ham 1891-1911 (transcribed Wilkson in 1891 by ancestry). Living in Canning Town to be precise. It does look as though it might be the right Sarah Ann.

The Kent connection may be worth pursuing.
For Esther Watson (registered June qtr 1880, Edmonton) there is a possible marriage in 1898 (can't see it on CityArk or ancestry unfortunately)
Dec 1898 Dartford 2a 1035
Miles, John William
Watson, Esther

They are in Erith/Crayford in 1901 and 1911, Esther is the right age to be the one we are looking for. In 1901 it says she was born Enfield, and 1911 says born Edmonton sub district! The Miles are still in Erith in 1939, Esther born 29 May 1880.

Couple of other interesting Watson marriages (father Thomas) in the Bexley database on ancestry -
6 January 1906, Belevedere, David Watson and Edith Ada Frisby. David was a widower.
Living in Erith in 1911, from the family details we can find this David in West Ham (Canning Town) in 1901, with his first wife Rachel (David Watson, 29, born Kingsland)

30 September 1894, Erith. John Coshall (written up as Coshell) + Louisa Watson, 20, father Thomas Watson, Brickmaker
Looks like they may be in Crayford in 1901. Louisa is 25, born Canning Town, which is not quite right of course. But still hopeful because of the marriage details.
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:38 pm

1901 census, Crayford, Kent (piece 697 folio 172 page 31)
T Watson, 61, Brickmaker, born Islington, boarding with a Wilkinson family (head is A C Wilkinson, 32, born Edmonton)
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Re: The Smiths of Hackney

Postby SDV » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:51 pm

ianbee - many thanks.

Based on your research. Thomas Watson was alive in 1901 living in Crayford, but was dead by his son David's second marriage in 1906. So it looks like he died in 1905 [Q1 1905 Dartford 2a 367].

Also three possible deaths for Sarah Ann WATSON:

Sarah WATSON: Q4 1883 West Ham 4a 52
Sarah WATSON: Q2 1896 West Ham 4a 102
Sarah Ann WATSON: Q4 1897 West Ham 4a 26

I rather fancy the last one.
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