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Re: 110th Heavy Battery RGA

Postby DavidG » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:39 pm

Thanks All,

I've been working on this one for several years now on and off and keep getting little snippets of information here and there. I've tried every avenue I can think of from relatives, newspapers, websites, etc.... but to no avail. Unfortunately the war diary for that period was destroyed in counter battery fire and his service record was so kindly destroyed by the Luftwaffe in WW2!!!!

All I know is that he was the Battery Commanders Batman so may have been used as a runner and could have been awarded it for that, but again that's pure speculation.

Adrian, I've got a copy of Howard Williamson's book if you want me to look up a date when the MM could have been awarded?

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Re: 110th Heavy Battery RGA

Postby AdrianB38 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:16 pm

Dave - just double checking - are you saying that you've actually checked the one that Junkers found (which includes at least some part of Feb) but it doesn't include the bit you need? Certainly I noticed that any later Diary is conspicuous by its absence, i.e. Kaiser Bill got that later one.

Re your very kind offer - I'd be most grateful if you can add anything to what I've got:

My grandpa was Corporal (sometimes Fitter-Corporal) Jack Bruce 36844, A Battery, 86th Brigade, RFA, in France & Flanders.

His MM was "gazetted" on page 10022 of the Supplement to the London Gazette, published on 28 September 1917. The guys I commissioned to research him suggest that the action leading to the award would normally have been June or July 1917. They suggest that "There is no single and obvious event that we could guess was when he won the MM, although A Battery came under heavy enemy shellfire near the Ypres - Comines canal on 23 and 24 July 1917, when several guns were damaged and no doubt the services of the Fitter Corporal would have been most valuable." (Thanks to Great War Family Research).

Grateful for any dates you can add to that....

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Re: 110th Heavy Battery RGA

Postby DavidG » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:37 pm

Adrian, I did it must have been the one after that, typical!!!

I've looked at a couple of the HAG and Divisional diaries in the hope but, nothing there either.

For a Gazette date of 28th Sept 1917 it gives actions around Ypres 17th July to 4th Aug 1917 (Elverdinghe, Bosinghe and Paradon Farm). Hope this narrows it down a bit?

It's a good book if you can get a copy.

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Re: 110th Heavy Battery RGA

Postby AdrianB38 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:28 am

Thanks Dave - fortunately that is compatible with the conclusions of the report that the guys did.

Like you, we never knew really why he was awarded the MM. Apparently he once told his daughter-in-law (my Mum) that he got it for "riding around on my horse." Typically making light of it. But riding back and forth, fixing damage in a battery under heavy counter-fire does sound like it might match the suggested episode in Grandpa's case.

The other aspect to the MM is that without it, we'd have no idea which battery and brigade he belonged to as they don't appear on his campaign medals or on the Rolls. And he didn't bother applying for the vote so didn't appear on the Absent Voters List where those details would normally appear.

Anyway, I salute them all and wish you luck.

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Re: 110th Heavy Battery RGA

Postby DavidG » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:13 pm

Adrian,

I'd love to know what My G Grandad got his for, The Aussie side of the family is easy as there's a wealth of information on those ones. It's on the wall in front of me in my office with his others and those of my Grandads from WW2.

Stupid question but, have you been through the war diaries for that period or tried the RA Museum at Woolwich? I've found them very helpful especially on my Grandads WW2 service.

The only bit of information that I've got from anybody in the family say that he said it was for helping a French family but I've got nothing to substantiate that one, hence why I'm looking for a location to see if it was at the front or behind the lines.

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Re: 110th Heavy Battery RGA

Postby AdrianB38 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:33 pm

DavidG wrote:... have you been through the war diaries for that period or tried the RA Museum at Woolwich? ...

The guys that did the report on Grandpa for me looked through the War Diaries and I've got the photocopies of the pages recording the (probable) incidents that triggered the award. I used a specialist team to do the report because I'd never touched the military side before - and indeed very little was on the internet at the time - not even the Medal Index Cards.

I've not been to Firepower yet, partly because if I went there to do research I'd need to know just what the heck I was supposed to be looking at, and I don't yet. Of course, sometime I'll need to go there (or at least the IWM) to actually see one of Grandpa's field guns.
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Re: 110th Heavy Battery RGA

Postby DavidG » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:16 pm

They're really helpful, for a small donation they sent me the war diary for my Grandads Battery upto the Dunkirk evacuations. I always wondered how he ended up with a grenade fragment in his shoulder being in the Artillery and the short range you use them at!, turns out that they were firing point blank at the advancing Germans then hitching the guns up, moving to a new position and starting all over again.

You could phone them on the off chance that they have something different?

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