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Postby clare2611 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:25 pm

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Just wondering even anyone could shed any light on the badge on my Father in laws uniform.

As there's no detail only got the shape to go by?

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Re: Uniform Badge

Postby Jethro Tull » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:15 am

Hi clare2611, I believe it could be either the Royal Horse Artillery, Royal Regiment of Artillery or possibly Royal Engineers. Both were very similar and only a more detailed pic may distinguish the two. Or if you have any photos of the gent wearing a cap it may help if a cap badge is present.

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Re: Uniform Badge

Postby AdrianB38 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:52 am

I'd agree with Jethro that we're looking at a flaming grenade badge - I'm not at all familiar with WW2 badges but I do know that the Artillery used it - not as the cap badge, that stayed as the gun (unless you know better! ) How many other regiments or corps used it, I have no idea.

I'm just slightly puzzled by where the badge is. I'd have expected to see it on his collar. Is its position significant or is my expectation inadequate?

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Re: Uniform Badge

Postby Jethro Tull » Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:53 pm

The same as Adrian, I was slightly puzzled too by the positioning of the badge. I have been having a closer look, I am wondering if there is anyway that it is an image from another photo? A double exposure perhaps. Or even. If the pic has been pressed up against another, there appear to be marks top left that look out of place and elsewhere too. Bottom left it seems to me to look like a faint impression of a lanyard, again in the wrong position. I must add though I am doing this on my phone so may be missing some detail. Pretty certain the badge is correct though on my initial thoughts and the ones I mentioned were, I think, the only ones that had the "ubique" scroll underneath. Other regiments used the flamimg grenade but without the scroll.

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Re: Uniform Badge

Postby AdrianB38 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:11 pm

All I can say is that I was looking earlier today at a woman from the ATS wearing an Artillery badge like that, on the left, just like the photo - albeit it was a bit straighter. I believe from the caption that the ATS women kept their ATS cap badge but were permitted to wear the badge of the unit that they were attached to, in that position.

Clearly ATS isn't the explanation for Clare's father-in-law but I was wondering if there was an equivalent reason for the badge appearing there and not on his collar.... Some sort of temporary attachment? It does look a bit twisted but I've no idea how securely they would / could be fastened there....
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Re: Uniform Badge

Postby AdrianB38 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:37 pm

AdrianB38 wrote:.... I do know that the Artillery used it - not as the cap badge, that stayed as the gun (unless you know better! ) .....


Well, I know better now! When the Artillery used a beret at some point during WW2, it was decided that the gun badge was a bit too big for a beret so soldiers were permitted to use the collar badge on the beret. The words I saw indicated that no expense was to be spent on this - just replace the old badges individually when lost or worn out.

And apparently the Artillery grenade had 7 flames at this time, the RE had 9.

Mr Google told me all this so don't ask me for citations!
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Re: Uniform Badge

Postby clare2611 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:52 am

Thanks for comments so far. We too now think the badge is a flaming grenade, however we're still no closing to attaining which regiment. The picture is a copy of the original which we no longer have. Some other marks may be reflections when I took the photo


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Re: Uniform Badge

Postby clare2611 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:08 am

jaykayare looks like you are right! We looked again and it does look like his cap is under the epulette. My grandads service photo is the same.


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Re: Uniform Badge

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