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Frederick John Bowden

Postby vito74 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:15 pm

Frederick John Bowden born 1893 died 1959. Would like to know more on his military service. He was pensioned out I think, he was crippled from being in the trenches. Also his brothers Baden Powell Bowden born 1900.


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Re: Frederick John Bowden

Postby Sylcec » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:40 pm

A little more information such as his place of birth, would have helped establish the right man - birth registration indexes show up several Frederick John Bowdens b. 1893 +/- 2 years.
Nevertheless, this might be him on getting the Silver War Badge:
First name(s) Frederick John
Last name Bowden
Service number 46056
Rank Private
Badge number B50186
Enlistment date 10-Dec-1915
Discharge date 21-Nov-1918
Unit from which discharged R.W.F. (Regs).
Cause of discharge Army Order 291. para. 2. (a) Para. 392. (16) King's Regulation
Whether served overseas Yes
Badge date of issue 14-Dec-1918
Age on discharge 26
Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920

but there is also another man of the same name and age getting a SWB:
First name(s) Frederick John
Last name Bowden
Service number 10570
Rank Private
Badge number B322963
Enlistment date 28-Apr-1913
Discharge date 10-Oct-1919
Unit from which discharged Border Regiment
Cause of discharge Para 392 (xvi) King's Regulation W.
Whether served overseas Yes
Badge date of issue 05-Nov-1919
Age on discharge 26
Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920
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Re: Frederick John Bowden

Postby Sylcec » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:59 pm

However, his brother Baden Powell Bowden enlisted 23 July 1918 to the Middlesex Regiment. A burnt service record does exist for him which you can download from Ancestry if you have a sub. He names his next of kin as Frederick Bowden and the address is 23 Suffolk Road, E13. Unfortunately the relationship - ?father or ?brother is missing from the document. He doesn't appear to have gone overseas.

Although it is dangerous to make assumptions, given that BPB was a Londoner, I think it unlikely that Frederick John Bowden would have served with the RWF, which I think is the Royal Welsh Fusiliers. There does not appear to be a service or pension record surviving for this man. Ancestry have several entries for Frederick John Bowden in "WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920" but unfortunately my subscription doesn't allow me to see the details of these.

Adrian will no doubt have something useful to add .....

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Re: Frederick John Bowden

Postby AdrianB38 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:04 pm

Flattery will get you everywhere, Sylvia....

There are 4 Frederick John Bowden entries in Ancestry's WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920. (Plus a John Frederick Bowden in the Labour Corps).

Private 46056 in the Royal Welsh (Welch) Fusiliers - British War Medal & Victory Medal;
Private 10570 in the Border Regiment - British War Medal & Victory Medal;
Private 14639 in the East Lancashire Regimen - British War Medal & Victory Medal;
Drummer 8969 in the Devonshire Regiment - he died in service November 1918 - issued with 1914 Star.

The above are all campaign medals - the latter two are indexed as Frederick J Bowden in Ancestry's Medal Index Cards. You'd think Army bureaucracy could have named them consistently! Further, Drummer 8969 also had the British War Medal & Victory Medal issued to him, according to his MIC.

Then there's also a Frederick J Bowden who is Private A/3428 in the King's Royal Rifle Corps.

The National Roll of the Great War on Ancestry makes it look as if the Devonshire guy joined the Army in 1908 and lived in Southampton.

None of the others seem to have anything that would lead me to say, "This must be your guy..." While the RWF doesn't sound immediately obvious, neither does the Border Regiment. And the East Lancs is surely not him. The KRRC was quite wide ranging in its recruitment but I'd really like a Silver War Badge if he was indeed invalided out during the War.

So without some more positive bit of data about him, we really don't know anything.
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Re: Frederick John Bowden

Postby vito74 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:49 pm

Waiting on my aunt for more information.


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Re: Frederick John Bowden

Postby Sylcec » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:21 am

I've picked the family up in the 1911 census at 12 Lower Road Plaistow.
Frederick Tom Watson Bowden, head, 45, b. Exeter, Devon
Rose Ellen Bowden, wife, 45
Mabel Bowden, dau, 19
Frederick John Bowden, son, 17
George Bowden, son, 13
Baden Powell Bowden, son, 10
Albert Edward Bowden, son, 9
wife & children all born in London/Middx locations
Additional siblings show up in the 1901 and 1891 censuses.
So, Frederick, the next of kin on BPB's attestation could have been his father or brother.
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