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Postby fisherman2313 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:19 am

Hi there I have been doing my family tree for about two years and have come to a few brick walls to do with my Fathers side of the family. My father is the youngest of ten children , They range from 1914- 1929 when my Father was born.

The first brick wall is to do with two of his sisters. They were taken away from my grandparents when they were young. My first Aunt was born in 1915 and the second one was born in 1916. All I have got on both of these Aunts is the date of birth and on one of them the date of death. The other one has a death of about 2000. I have been unable to find any marriage records on either of them.

Another brick wall is my uncle who was born in 1914. This is the same as his sisters I have managed to locate his birth and death certificate. But again no marriage record for him. I do know that when my gran died my uncle had a nervous breakdown and was taken to the mental hospital in the London area. The death certificate states the hospital that he died in 1989.

The last brick wall is my uncle who was born in 1917. I have tried seeing if he got married but, after I got a marriage certificate with his name I discovered that the marriage certificate had no mention of my grandfathers name. So had to delete the information to do with him. I asked my Aunt who is in her nineties and she doesn't know if he ever got married as there was a big family arguement and he left the family home and has never contacted his family since. So that is a big problem as will not know if he ever did get married. Did a quick search on a site and there was about 20 marriages for his name in the years between 1936 -1946 when he would of been between 19 years old to when he would of been 29 years old. Haven't check from 1947- 1964 as ran out of time. Wouldn't he of needed to show his birth certificate if he ever did marry?

I haven't named wanted to name any of my aunts and uncles as didn't want to devolge any personal details about them. Can some one help me and tell me if I can find any other information out about my Aunts and uncles as I seem to be going around in circles with my aunts and uncles
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Finding missing relatives

Postby coopernicola » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:54 am

Without names of your relatives we can only offer general advice. However if you know your grandparents surnames, and their children were all born in one area, you can search for possible DoB via FreeBMD as from 1913 mother's maiden name was included in the record. If however they moved around a lot, or both have common surnames this may be quite a task.
If you've not used this site before select "births" on the scroll down menu, enter the surname of each parent in the boxes labelled. Then either select a county, or an area from the side menus.
Include a range of years to cover the likely period of births, you can always amend this later.
Good luck.
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Finding missing relatives

Postby coopernicola » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:02 am

Just another thought: if your aunt is happy to talk about her siblings, older relatives love to chat especially over many cups of tea, then once you have established a list of possible siblings take it with you on a visit. You may find it jogs some memories. There may even be some long forgotten photographs, even though the story seems somewhat sad with children removed from the family. Occasionally wedding photographs reveal many previously unknown relatives. There may be cousins you could talk to who have more information. I've found that aunts are a better source of information as my father and uncles tend to have a somewhat vague recollection of who's who in their families! Perhaps they spent too much time playing outside and missed the family gossip.
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Re: Finding missing relatives

Postby AdrianB38 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:49 pm

fisherman2313 wrote:... Wouldn't he of needed to show his birth certificate if he ever did marry?
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Just on that topic - unless something weird happened somewhere, sometime - no - you did not need to show your birth certificate at all sorts of events. People generally believed you when you claimed to be someone.

Apart from anything, I suggest many people never had their birth certificate in their hand. Maybe it stayed with their parents, got lost - or they never had one in the first place. My father's only ever had the short-form certificate, which is actually more like a receipt for payment.
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Re: Finding missing relatives

Postby fisherman2313 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:55 pm

Many thanks for your all replies. My Aunt has spoken about her brothers and sisters that she knows about in the past, but has no memory of her two sisters or the little baby that died shortly after birth. Dad used to talk about the two sisters who were taken away all the time even through he was the youngest, Dad never mention the little baby either. Sadly my Father passed away in November 2013 so is unable to help with these mysteries now. When I asked my Aunt about her brother who left the family home she only said about the fact that he was so rude to gran and grandad that he never communicated with any of the family ever after he left the family home. M Aunt also has no memory of the brother who died shortly after birth. She only thinks she is one of seven and not one of ten. As my Aunt lives about 190 miles from where I live cups of tea might be hard to do, I have only seen her once in the last 15 months and that was at my fathers funeral. Which was not a good time to talk about family trees. I do actually talk to her every couple of weeks over the phone as she seems to be interested in what I have found out about the family of my fathers side.

My two aunts who were taken away from my gran and grandad had medical problems, one was epiletic and the other had learning difficulties. My father always used to say that they were taken away from gran when grandad died but that would of ment that they would of been adults by then, and he also used to say they were twins but they were not twins as they were born a year apart. Thanks again.
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Postby coopernicola » Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:28 pm

It seems due to these sad circumstances you may have a few problems progressing with your tree. The 1921 census (when it's released in 2021) may be of use but that's along way off. Again if the family stayed in one area you may find Parish records to be helpful. If you can visit the local area archive you will be able to check out copies of the baptisms for the relevant parish(es). However if your family were from a large urban area this may be problematic as there are many parishes to check. If they were not CofE again this could be an issue as catholic records and non conformist records are not always easy to find. Some companies sell CD's with parish records so you can look through these at home. Some areas are available on Ancestry and there is a good website for Lincolnshire (Lincs to the Past).
In the mean time you could make a list of possible children and cross reference this with deaths on FreeBMD to exclude any dying in infancy. You could then try electoral rolls, again you'd be guessing at area, but by the time most of the siblings are 21 the would be listed.
There may be others who could make more suggestions but without names & location we can only guide you in a general way.
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Re: Finding missing relatives

Postby brunes08 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:26 pm

You say that the two little girls were taken away as one was epileptic and the other had learning difficulties. Sadly, the chances are that they may well have been placed in an institution as there was little, if any, specialist help for children with such conditions back then. As difficult as it may have been, families found they had little option but to follow this course. It may be worth your while exploring that avenue.
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Re: Finding missing relatives

Postby fisherman2313 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:38 am

What institutions in London would of been used to house my two aunts? The eldest Girl was born in 1915 and the second girl was born 1916, in Hendon, which used to be Oxford but is now part of London. Julie
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Re: Finding missing relatives

Postby brunes08 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:51 pm

Hendon was in Middlesex, not Oxford, which is why it has been gathered up into Greater London. It was where I was born at my grandparent's house. You could contact the London Metropolitan Archives. They would probably be able to help. Just a thought.
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Re: Finding missing relatives

Postby fisherman2313 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:59 pm

Hi On the site to do with searching for records which I use, the site mentioned Hendon Oxford on all of my aunts and uncles and even said Hendon Oxford for my father. As soon as I get the birth certificates from GRO i alter the information to read almost all the address so it should help the next generation who do the family tree (i.e my nieces and nephews who will be left to continue my family trees). Even my uncle who had the row with his parents (my grandparents) states Hendon Oxford on the site. I think in the olden days Hendon was part of Oxford (probably in the 1800s) then was changed to Middlesex, which in turn became part greater London. Julie
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