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Wharton Family, Dewsbury

Postby danm_b2 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:31 am

I'm trying to find my x2 great grandfather on the 1881 & 1891 census but with no luck. His name was Albert Wharton born c.1879 in Dewsbury. His father was James Wharton. I'm able to find Albert in 1901 in barracks at Dewsbury serving as a private. In 1911 he's married with 2 children. The stories handed down was that he was a bit of a trouble maker; bigamy, prison time, and lying his way into World War I. I've managed to disprove some stories or put truth to them with evidence. What would the reasons be that I cannot find him before 1901?


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Re: Wharton Family, Dewsbury

Postby ciderdrinker » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:30 pm

Hello
Have you seen his service records on Find My Past.
Apparently he signed up in 1897 and he says he was born at Balley Carr Dewsbury 1880.They should give a next of kin and address which would help.
But they don't he signed up twice on the records on FMP and each time he bought himself out after a month.
His address is 19 Vulcan Road Li(e)ster St Bally Carr.
He is a bobbin turner for a Mr Thomas Stead on both occasions.
The first 15.11.1897 at Normington he is 17yrs and 10 mths 3rd Batt Yorks Regiment.
The second 3.12.1897 at Batley he is 17yrs and 11mths.
So born January 1880.
No next of kin.
Description 5ft 3 106 lbs fresh complexion,brown hair and eyes.Chest 33 -311/2 inches.

There is also a report of him in the Liverpool Mercury 10.6.1899 at the same address but I don't have enough credits to have a look.


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Re: Wharton Family, Dewsbury

Postby ciderdrinker » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:32 pm

Hi again
Thinking about it could his mother have remarried and he was born something else taking the name Wharton latter?
1881 census Lidgate Lane Dewsbury
James Harking 32 rag man warehouse Dewsbury
Sarah Ann 32 former servant Askern
Harriet 9 Batley Carr
Speight 7
Edmond 5
Albert 2 born Batley Carr

They seem to disappear from the 1891 census.
Brother Speight then reappears 1901 as Wharton
5 Dale St
Speight Wharton 27 rug grinder Battley Carr
Annie 24 Sherburn ?le Street Notts
James Henry 9mths Battley Carr

What do you think?
ps now found them in 1891 as Hocking with Albert but still no marriage to a Wharton.
Speight Hocking age 26 Mill Hand Lister ST s of James warehouseman married Dewsbury 28.4.1900 to Annie Theaker 23 Savile Town d of Joseph plate layer.
Witnesses William James and Harriett Wilson

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Re: Wharton Family, Dewsbury

Postby ciderdrinker » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:53 pm

Ah ha!
1901 Lister St
James Wharton 54 warehouseman Dewsbury
Sarah 52 Askern
Amy 16 weaver woollen mill Dewsbury
Edith 19 servant
Annie 13 woolen rag sorter
Elsie 11

All the daughters are on the 1891 as Hocking along with Albert 12,Edmund 14,Spright 17 and Harriet 19
Marriage James Horking and Sara Ann Speight Doncaster Dec 1867 9c 787

I think it's them
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Re: Wharton Family, Dewsbury

Postby danm_b2 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:43 pm

Hello, thank you very much for finding all that. It does seem like them. Them service records descriptions of him seem quite true to the picture I have of him aswell. From what you said it seems to me the family might have changed their surname and not that his mother remarried? You said that in 1900 speight married Annie and his surname was hocking? And in 1901 the census has him as living with Annie but as Wharton, also his dad James, was a Wharton In 1901 but married in 1867 as hocking. Also that street name seems familiar (lidgate) I'm sure I've heard it before or seen it in connection to him. I think I need to get alberts birth certificate. If they did change their name id be very interested as to why?


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Re: Wharton Family, Dewsbury

Postby ciderdrinker » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:03 am

Good Morning
Yes it does seem odd that the whole family seem to have changed their names.Usually when a young man changes his name it's to get away from something and he leaves his family but not in this case.
Albert seems have become Wharton by 1897 from Lister ST when he signs up for the Army presumably to get away.
Parents James and Sarah change their names between 1891-1901
Brother Speight marries as Hockings in 1900 from Lister ST but is Wharton in 1901.
Checked brother Edmund and he marries as Hockings in 1899 but is Wharton by 1901.
Harriet marries William James Wilson 1893 as Horking .
Something major must have happened in the late 1890s.

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Re: Wharton Family, Dewsbury

Postby ciderdrinker » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:55 am

Sorry to some back again but I've found out where they got the Wharton from.
(Even though it seems James died as Horkings age 54 Dewsbury Dec 1901)
Have a look at this.
1861 census 314 Upper Road Dewsbury
Sam Wharton 45 cloth weaver Dewsbury
Ellen 35 wife Lincolnshire not known
James Horkin stepson 14 Dewsbury
Rachel Wharton 10 daughter Dewsbury
Sarah 7
Mary 4
Ben 1

The 1851 has a few more surprises Deswbury 1851
Samuel Wharton 31 mule spinner woolen Batley Carr
Ellen 26 Manchester
John Robinson 7 son in law (stepson)Conaston Bridge Cheshire
James Robinson 4 son in law Dewsbury
Rachel Wharton 2 mths daughter Dewsbury

The marriage for them is at Dewsbury All Saints 12.2.1851
Samuel Wharton 32 widower clothier Battley Carr s of Benjamin Wharton clothier
Ellen Horkin 26 widow Dewsbury d of Timothy Keena labourer
wit John Gledhill and Paul Ward.
It seems it's the grandmother who remarried from Horkin/ings to Wharton.

I think this is Ellen's second marriage at Wakefield 12.10.1846
Micheal Horkin labourer Westgate s of Martin labourer
and Ellen Kena widow servant Westgate d of Timothy labourer
Wit William Cordingley and Ellen Murray

Her first at Chorley mar 1842 Samuel Robinson and Ellen Kana 21 187

Hope that helps.
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Re: Wharton Family, Dewsbury

Postby danm_b2 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:28 pm

This all really helps, this has been one of my biggest brick walls since starting this years ago. A fresh pair of eyes Really does help. I'm on FMP atm with the free trial, I've no idea why I've not come to this website before. I read that newspaper article you mentioned and it is Albert Wharton the street names are right, he was been made bankrupt from what I can gather.


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Re: Wharton Family, Dewsbury

Postby danm_b2 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:36 pm

I've just tried uploading the photo I have of Albert to show you but it won't let me. I'm going to go through all this today now and try and make some sense from it. They don't seem a very solid family, and I can believe that. My grandad always said they were rough, he thought they were gypsies at one point (no idea why), and he remembers him brushing his coarse whiskers on him as a sign of affection when they went to visit, he said he hated it.


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Re: Wharton Family, Dewsbury

Postby danm_b2 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:06 pm

I've just found in the 1871 census that James harking/Wharton had a daughter called Martha Ellen, Ellen being his mothers name. This is all starting to fit nicely. Thank you again for finding all this.


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