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Peter Higginbotham (workhouses)

Postby Jon Bauckham » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:17 pm

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Re: Peter Higginbotham

Postby mcyoho77 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:38 pm

I have family members in the West Derby workhouse in the 1800s. Is there a way to locate the day books in which it recorded the comings and goings, and events of the individual? Family names include Gough/Gaughan, Caligan/Callagan, Connor, Craig, Dawson, Rowlands, Daniels, Edwards, Hanley, Cullen, Buckley, and Kinsella. The line starts with Michael Gaughan b. ca 1811 Ireland, possibly Co. Waterford or Co.Wexford. Any help or ideas, please, that you can give me would be appreciated, Thank you!
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Re: Peter Higginbotham

Postby detectivec » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:34 pm

My GG Grandmother Harriet Turner was sent from the Greenwich Union on 2nd Oct 1878 to the Herne Bay Establishment separating her from her siblings who were sent into service and to the Sutton School. Can you tell me what the Herne Bay Establishment was; was it just for the use of the Greenwich Union and where might records for it be?
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Re: Peter Higginbotham

Postby laura simpson » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:13 pm

My great,grandfather was born in Manchester in 1853. The address given on his birth certificate is Bowkers Court, Brighton Street, Manchester. Do you know if this building was some sort of Workhouse at that time please? I cannot find any reference to this address on the 1851 census records that I have searched.

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Re: Peter Higginbotham

Postby pollymac » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:56 am

According to his birth certificate, my gg grandfather, Charles James Timms, was born in Paddington Workhouse on 8 June 1865. No father's name given, mother was Alice Timms, informant A Timms, mother, Workhouse Paddington. If possible, I would like to find admission/discharge records for Alice. Can you suggest where I could search?
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Re: Peter Higginbotham

Postby NinjaHippoUK » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:21 am

My Great Grandfather John Sneddon was born in Hamilton Combination Poorhouse in 1896. Birth cert says illegitimate. His mother was called Elizabeth Sneddon.

He suddenly appears with a family 8 miles in Airdrie away in the 1901 census and has taken on the family surname Cowan. There is no reason given as to why he appeared with this family. I have been told it was very commonplace to ship kids out to families, and often there was no paperwork.

I can't find any information from the local registrar office in Motherwell. They have said there was lots of missing documents at this time.

How do I find out more about Elizabeth Sneddon? There is no info other than her name on the birth certificate :cry:
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Re: Peter Higginbotham

Postby grandma » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:38 am

My GG grandmother, Mary Powell, is listed an an 'inmate', 'married' 'domestic servant' of Pontypool Union Workhouse in the 1871 census. She had 3 sons, William (b.1861, Trefethin, Monmouthshire), Isaac (b. 1864, Pontypool Workhouse) & Robert (b. 1870, Pontypool Workhouse). Robert is my G Grandfather. Mary married George Robinson between 1871 & 1881 & they had a daughter, Mary Priscilla.
I have 2 questions: 1. How could she be listed as married & go on to marry? 2. Are there records which indicate how/why Mary was admitted to the workhouse?

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Re: Childrens Homes

Postby malverntrail » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:18 am

Firstly, thank you very much Peter, for creating and maintaining your very useful and interesting Workhouses website - such an important topic in many family histories.

This 'live chat' has prompted me to look again at your more recent Children's Homes website, thanks for this resource too. I've spotted the page for Muller Orphan House, in Stapleton (Bristol), as the 1891 census for a 2x great aunt has it. Any general advice on making enquiries to charitable trusts which hold archive records for such places? I have yet to trace the aunt (Louisa Scott) beyond 1891.
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Re: Peter Higginbotham

Postby djosefowski » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:42 am

My great grandfather, William Harvey Brain and his brother (George) lost their parents by the time my ancestor was 17 years old (and his brother 14). They lived near Pontypool, Monmouthshire (Wales) and their family had been miners. They eventually left the area 10 months later to live with family in the United States. I don't know where they were during those in between months, but thought perhaps in a Workhouse. Are there records for the Pontypool area and does it seem likely they went there to live and how do I find information? The only thing they has was a bible from Sardis Congregational Church dated around the time they left - did churches commonly visit workhouses?

Another brief question, according to his death record, my gggrandfather, Richard Wilkinson died in 1882 in Union Workhouse, West Bromwich (West Midlands), however I know there are no records for that workhouse. Do you know of any other records that would help learn more about his stay there. I was surprised he went there because he had family living nearby and someone suggested he may have went there because he needed medical treatment which he couldn't afford.

Thank you,

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Re: Peter Higginbotham

Postby sjl170 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:01 pm

Hi Peter,

My 3xg grandmother Susanna Clissold (nee Smith) married her husband Philemon Clissold in 1858, and on the census of 1861 & 1871 they are living together with their 2 children.
However, she is listed in the census of 1881 & 1891 as an inmate of Wolverhampton workhouse. In the 1881 census he is living with the children, & she in the workhouse, both list that they are married.
By 1891, she is in the workhouse listed as a widow, he living with his children and he too listed as a widow.
Susanna dies in the workhouse in 1894 of Bronchitis & exhaustion. Her death certificate states that she is a widow of Philemon Clissold, but he is still alive until 1911.
Would she have been disowned by her husband/children for some reason for them to lie about their marriage? Was this normal to state they were widowers? Ashamed maybe?
Are there any records that can help me?
Thank you for your time. Sally.
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