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Samuel Ellis 1820 Lamerton Devon

Postby grandpadragon » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:26 pm

Samuel was born in Lamerton, Married in Lamerton (1845) All the census from 1851 agree these details but I can't find him in 1841. I would assume he would still be living with his parents (not necessarilry I know)and hoped to get parents names to contiue the line. Any suggestions ?

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Re: Samuel Ellis 1820 Lamerton Devon

Postby Sylcec » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:47 am

I have browsed 1841 census districts 8,9 & 10 for Lamerton, Devon, but did not find Samuel Ellis. The few Ellis's I did see were: Richard & Hannah and family; James, 45, an Ag lab not with family, and a 70+ year old Elizabeth with younger Jane and a 4year old probably in same household.

Therefore it seems most likely that your Samuel was probably working in another parish at the time of the 1841 census, or was away visiting relatives or friends, again in another parish. Do keep in mind that the census records only represent a "snapshot in time" and not a person or family's normal place of abode.

Devon parish registers are now available on Findmypast. The marriage on 29 March 1845 for Samuel Ellis shows him to be of full age, a labourer, son of John Ellis, a mason; to Hannah Burridge, minor, dau of Stephen Burridge, a labourer. They gave their places of residence as Lamerton. Witnesses were John & Mary Ann Williams. None of the groom, bride or witnesses signed their names - all made their mark with X .
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Re: Samuel Ellis 1820 Lamerton Devon

Postby peter kent » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:36 am

You say that he married in 1845. Well, the marriage certificate will show his father's name and then you'll have something substantial to search for.

This is the only way to work. You can't derive a family tree just from census returns because you'll end up with guess work.
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Re: Samuel Ellis 1820 Lamerton Devon

Postby grandpadragon » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:32 pm

Thank you both for the help I now have his father John and the fact he (John ) was a mason may help. As a pensioner my financial situation precludes me from ordering certificates fequently. and I only subcribe to Ancestry. I am not pleading poverty just that this has to be done on a shoestring.
I think I have found Samuel in 1841 living on a farm as a lodger but can't be sure as birthplace only given as Devon they did this quite often in that census I have come to stop a couple of times like that
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Re: Samuel Ellis 1820 Lamerton Devon

Postby callbrian » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:19 pm

Hi
I have had a quick look on the Genealogist. There is one Samuel Ellis that could be yours. I'm not sure which one you found but Samuel Ellis, Wood Oves, Tavistock. b 1821 age 20, male servant.
Wood Oves, I believe to be Woodovis (farm). This is between Lamerton & Gulworthy.
No idea so far of parents.
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Re: Samuel Ellis 1820 Lamerton Devon

Postby ColinB » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:23 pm

Samuel Ellis bap. 3 Jan 1819 , parents John , mason , and Mary of Hoopers Court , at Lamerton

sibling John Ellis 16 Apr 1815 , ditto , ditto
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Re: Samuel Ellis 1820 Lamerton Devon

Postby ColinB » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:27 pm

John Ellis , widower , married Mary Judd , BOTP , 10 Oct 1812 Lamerton.
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Re: Samuel Ellis 1820 Lamerton Devon

Postby callbrian » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:33 pm

Hi
this link to Genuki for the Tavistock area may be interesting reading for you. It may not give you the answers you are looking for but it is free.
Other free sites are www.freecen.org.uk and www. freereg.co.uk which you may find useful if you haven't used them before.
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Re: Samuel Ellis 1820 Lamerton Devon

Postby grandpadragon » Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:21 pm

Thank you everybody I'm grateful.
Colin I presume you info came from parish records? could I ask your opinion regarding his birth date. I have several records which all show a birth of 1820 but you baptism shows early1819 therefore
birth in 1818 do you get this amount of variation in parish records. I can understand that if they were iliterate later in life they would use dates given them by parents but the Priest should get it right.
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Re: Samuel Ellis 1820 Lamerton Devon

Postby AdrianB38 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:05 am

I would trust parish registers to show correct dates - errors and omissions excepted. However ages in censuses and on marriage can be and often are all over the place. It's said that people simply weren't as interested in their age and birth date then as now. It is quite usual to find people who don't age 10 years between censuses. In fact my gut feeling is that someone claiming to be 60 (say) often understates their age by up to 5y. (Seldom overstates though)

So I wouldn't find a difference between 1818 and 1821 implausible. The real issue is making sure there's no one else with the same name and birthplace born around the same few years.

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