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Julian Farrance & Robert Fleming (National Army Museum)

Postby Jon Bauckham » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:20 pm

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Re: Julian Farrance & Robert Fleming (National Army Museum)

Postby JaneyH » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:25 pm

Dear Julian and Robert,

This photograph fell out of the family Bible I inherited a few years back when my grandmother died.

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It is printed directly onto thin paper, not a 'normal' old photo mounted onto card; there is no photographer's name and nothing written on the back to give any clues. The full text of the sign above the doorway reads: "soldiers' scripture reading and prayer room". I have posted this picture a while back on this forum and more recently on the Great War Forum, and the consensus is that it's probably Victorian rather than First World War. Given this, and what I know of military service among my ancestors, I would guess that it includes my great-grandmother's half-brother Charles (Charlie) John Barne. He was born in 1869 in Devon; I have details for him in the 1871 and 1881 Censuses but have found nothing further. To the best of my knowledge he saw service in the Boer War 1899-1902, and one of my late grandmother's prized possessions was the Queen Victoria chocolate tin that he had been sent when serving there, as were all soldiers one Christmas.

I can see that there are a range of different uniforms being worn; there is a padre/chaplain seated in the centre, and some of the men don't appear to be in the first flush of youth!

Separately, it has been suggested by another source that the photo was taken in India, and that the building is what was called a Harrington Prayer Room. These were apparently set up in all the major cantonments for soldiers to use. It is possible that Charlie Barne also served in India, although I have no knowledge of this. I have so far found no military records on Ancestry or the Forces War Records website that link to him.

In terms of other ancestors with military service in India, my great-grandfather's brother was in India with the 1/7th Battalion Hampshire Regiment in the Great War, but given he was born in 1892 and the 1911 Census says he was a postman in Bournemouth (aged 19) I'm pretty sure he only enlisted once war had started. He was discharged from the Army through sickness in 1919 and was awarded the SWB.

My great-grandfather served in the 13th Gloucestershire Regiment in WW1, in France and Belgium, but I've discounted this option. Besides, the Family Bible didn't come through his branch of the family.

Any pointers would be most appreciated. I can email a higher-resolution copy of the picture if this would help (please send an address).
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Re: Julian Farrance & Robert Fleming (National Army Museum)

Postby graysj » Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:31 am

Hi, The attached photograph has been retained by the family for so long there is nobody live who knows why.
This seems to be taken in a hospital (make shift or otherwise) taken by H.J.Wenlock & Sons Birmingham. My wife's parents passed the photo down who were from Birmingham and thats all I know.

Can you identify anything from the shot?

Simon
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Re: Julian Farrance & Robert Fleming (National Army Museum)

Postby graysj » Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:47 am

Hi,
This Regiment photograph seems to be in France showing the photographer as P. Delebarre 84,Rue d'Arras AIRE-SUR-LA-LYS (PAS-DE-CALAIS).

My wife's parents passed the photo down who were from Birmingham and that's all I know.

Can you identify anything from the shot? Maybe the regiment etc . I can send another copy of photo zooming in if it would help?

Simon
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Re: Julian Farrance & Robert Fleming (National Army Museum)

Postby Chadwi » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:38 am

I've got terribly stuck trying to find out about my grandfather's role in the Great War, and it would be really terrific if you can give me a few pointers. Here are a couple of photographs, one in uniform and another with his 'unit'.
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I've searched all manner of records and indexes and haven't found a thing, not helped by having the pretty common surname of Wilson. I've been told he joined the Post Office Rifles, and I can't understand why as I'm not aware of any connection to the Post Office; fyi he lived and worked in Woolwich. (I believe at some point the Rifles were amalgamated with the London Regiment). I've also been told that he was gassed during the war.

Would love to know: what is the chance of me finding a medal card of service record and where to look?; do the photos look like the Post Office Riles?; how can I find out where he might of served? At the moment I have no knowledge of his part in the war, so any tips would be a bonus.
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Re: Julian Farrance & Robert Fleming (National Army Museum)

Postby meekhcs » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:08 pm

We think the attached photograph is of our great uncle, Tom Victor Jopling (1892-1918), dated 1 April 1912. General consensus is that the uniform is that of the RHA. My problem is that, as far as we were aware, Tom Victor Jopling and his brothers were all Merchant Navy men. Tom died 3 September 1918 in the Bristol Channel serving aboard an American merchant navy vessel.
I have been unable to find any records relating to Tom and army service. I would be grateful to receive any ideas you may have.
Thank you
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Re: Julian Farrance & Robert Fleming (National Army Museum)

Postby phyllis robins » Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:33 pm

I have no knowledge of this soldier or nurse, all information appreciated.
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Re: Julian Farrance & Robert Fleming (National Army Museum)

Postby lyngil » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:48 pm

Hello,

This picture is of my grandfather Ernest Dawson, born 25/7/1898. I know he was an apprentice at GWR 1912-1916, living in Worcester. I would like to try to identify the uniform he is wearing. I don't believe he served abroad during WW1, but I believe he had something to do with Prisoners of War.
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Re: Julian Farrance & Robert Fleming (National Army Museum)

Postby DottyB » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:31 pm

Re: William Logan b. 1882 - d.1925
Is it possible to identify the regiment these soldiers were in. My grandfather (back row, right hand side), William Logan was born in Glasgow in 1882, he married Janet Munro Milne in 1911. At this time he was a commercial traveller still living in Glasgow. I do not know when he enlisted, but do have a photograph of him in uniform with his wife & son Samuel aged approx. 18 months- 2 years. (He was born in 1912)
William had 3 brothers : John Gilmour Logan (b.1884 d.1904); Samuel Logan (b 1886- d.1961 I believe); Robert Logan (b 1888 -d.1965) and 2 sisters Marion Muirhead Logan & Jessie Elizabeth Gilmour Logan.

I would be interested to know if either of the two brothers alive at the outbreak of war joined the armed forces.
Thank you.
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Re: Julian Farrance & Robert Fleming (National Army Museum)

Postby detectivec » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:46 pm

This photo was sent home as a postcard from the front in WW1 dated 18th May 1916 from my great-grandfather Frank Connor (pictured 2nd row, on the left). He was a sergent in the 1st Devonshire reg. I know he was very musical on his marriage certificate in January 1914 he was listed as a drummer and we have several of his bugles. But I am interested to know what type of musical group is represented in the photo, as the men all seem very diverse? Would they all be from the same regiment?

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