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Occupation "Captain R E"

Postby vnolan » Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:24 am

In the 1871 census I have come across the occupation "Captain R E". What does the R E stand for? Does it relate to the army or navy?

Can anyone enlighten me? So far my ancestors have been naval men.

I am trying to trace Henry Middleton Short (junior) who may have been born about the late 1830's (date of birth not yet identified). From the newspapers, ancestry, and Find My Past I have the following information.

Married Fanny Marshal 1/11/1870 St George, Hanover Square, London
Dies 1879 in Kensington, London.
A marriage announcement in the newspapers for 1870 states that Henry was a Captain of the Royal Eithorne (Eythorne) Light Infantry

I suspect that he was born in Ireland as this is where his father Henry Middleton Short (senior) dies in 1844.

Any help much appreciated.

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Re: Occupation

Postby g w aldous » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:33 am

Captain Royal Engineers so army..
never heard of eythorne LInf so possibly a misunderstanding or made up.
The Royal Engineers have a long history with the dover area the training barracks were at Old Park now a housing estate.
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Re: Occupation

Postby ColinB » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:17 am

I don't think Royal Eithorne is made up. It appears to have been a Middlesex Militia. I can find references to it on BNA , to which I don't subscribe , but cannot reproduce them on findmypast.

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Re: Occupation "Captain R E"

Postby AdrianB38 » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:05 pm

According to Wikipedia on the Middlesex Regiment, when it was formed in 1881, its 3rd battalion (one of 2 militia battalions) was formerly the Royal Elthorne or 5th Middlesex Light Infantry Militia. (2nd letter is l for Lima).

Under all normal circumstances, Captain RE should be interpreted as Captain Royal Engineers - unless there is evidence to the contrary.


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Re: Occupation "Captain R E"

Postby AdrianB38 » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:30 pm

Mocavo has a "New Annual Army List & Militia List" 1869 referring to the 5th Royal Elthorne Middlesex (Light Infantry). One of ten captains is Henry Short, seniority date (of what? Rank or appointment? ) is 13 May 1861)

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Re: Occupation "Captain R E"

Postby vnolan » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:48 pm

Thank's everyone for the information, most helpful. As the village of Eyrthorne is not far from Dover this would make sense.

Thanks Adrian for your suggestion on Mocavo. I shall go and have a look.
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Re: Occupation

Postby g w aldous » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:12 pm

thanks for the correction. seniority would be of rank ie his date of attaining that rank. 2 captains in certain situations would ask who is senior and the one longest in rank is in charge unless they delegate to the other because of a specialty.
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Re: Occupation "Captain R E"

Postby AdrianB38 » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:02 am

Please note it's Elthorne the Hundred of Middlesex for the militia not Eythorne near Dover. That is just coincidence.

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Re: Occupation "Captain R E"

Postby vnolan » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:35 pm

Thank's for the clarification Adrian.


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