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Johanna Howes (1890 - 1981)

Postby GillJones » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:11 pm

I'm hoping that a fresh pair of eyes might solve some very old puzzles.

My Grandmother, Johanna (Annie) Howes was supposedly born 24 July 1890 in High Street, Boro, London. I have never been able to find her birth registration or baptism to confirm this (I believe she might have been brought up as a Catholic). Her parents were Ernest Edward Howes (1869) & Mary Ann (Bray). They married in Newington, London in 1888 and by 1891 they had 2 children - Arthur Edward (1888) and Johanna. I can't find the Howes family anywhere in the 1891 Census. In the 1901 Census, the family are living in Southwark, but although all the other children are present, Johanna and her younger sister Louisa (1892) are nowhere to be found! In 1911 the family, including Johanna and Louisa, are all together.

My questions are:
1) Where is Johanna's birth registration? As far as I know all her siblings were registered.
2) Where are the Howes family in 1891?
3) Where are Johanna & Louisa in 1901?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Johanna Howes (1890 - 1981)

Postby sdup26 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:51 pm

Like you, I can't see a birth registration for Johanna (Annie). The others were registered; do you know of any family matter around the summer of 1890 that could have caused registering Johanna to simply be overlooked?
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Re: Johanna Howes (1890 - 1981)

Postby avaline » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:48 pm

Have you found Louisa anywhere else, other than her birth registration? If not, are you certain that Louisa & Johanna are not the same person?
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Re: Johanna Howes (1890 - 1981)

Postby GillJones » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:09 pm

Louisa is definitely a different person. Some years ago I was contacted by Louisa's daughter and she had old wedding photos of her family with Johanna in them. She was the one who told me that Johanna was called Annie by the family. Apparently Johanna and Louisa had been very close at one time.

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Re: Johanna Howes (1890 - 1981)

Postby GillJones » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:33 pm

I don't know of anything happening in 1890/91, other than they were very poor and young. They were both only 19 years old and Mary Ann was very pregnant with Arthur Edward when they got married in 1888. I did wonder if by the time Johanna came along, then perhaps they spent time in the workhouse and that would explain them 'missing' from the 1891 Census, but there are a lot of workhouse registers online now and I've not found them there.......yet!

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Re: Johanna Howes (1890 - 1981)

Postby MoVidger » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:49 pm

The earliest Electoral Register record I've found for Ernest Howes is 1894. He's recorded as living at 33 Camelot Street, Bermondsey. There's a George Arthur Howes living at 13 Camelot Street. Is he Ernest's father?

The TNA link below provides very interesting Custodial history for St George the Martyr, Southwark parish records, which are somewhat dispersed. Some of the records were rescued from builders' rubble in the entrance lobby of the church in 1951 during restoration work.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov. ... 158d420303

As regards workhouse records, Ancestry's collections appear to have very limited records for Bermondsey and Southwark circa 1891. If you use the "Browse This Collection" drop-down menus, you will see the records and years in the collection.

Try also searching Ancestry's London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1738-1926. This collection also includes "Roman Catholic Children 1877-1894" in the Bermondsey Admission and Discharge records drop-down menu.
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Re: Johanna Howes (1890 - 1981)

Postby GillJones » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:56 pm

Thanks for all the info.

Yes George Arthur Howes was Ernest Edward's father. The two families seemed to spend a lot of their lives in Camelot Street - Ernest Edward & Mary Ann were still living there in 1911.
I presume that Ernest Edward wouldn't be on the Electoral Register until he was 21 years old and that would have been in March 1890.

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Re: Johanna Howes (1890 - 1981)

Postby MoVidger » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:45 pm

In case it helps with your 1891 census search for the family, Castle Street was assigned "Camelot Street" during street renaming, 20 February 1892. This explains why I couldn't locate Camelot Street in the 1891 census.
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Re: Johanna Howes (1890 - 1981)

Postby sdup26 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:01 pm

I can't find the Howes family in 1891, nor Johanna or Louisa in 1901. Very elusive!
Just one point; you say you believe that Johanna 'might have been brought up as a Catholic.' Why would that be? The family seems to be C of E - for example, Edward Ernest and Mary Ann were married at All Saints, Newington, and daughter Louisa married at St George the Martyr. But what if the RC suggestion is true? Could it be that you can't find a Howes/Bray birth registration for Johanna because she was being brought up by Ernest and Mary in the faith of her birth parents?
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Re: Johanna Howes (1890 - 1981)

Postby GillJones » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:14 pm

Johanna's mother Mary Ann Bray came from an Irish Catholic family. When Johanna married in 1912 she married in a Catholic Church, even though I'm reasonably sure that her husband wasn't Catholic! I did think at one time that maybe she wasn't the biological child of Ernest Edward & Mary Ann, but I don't have anything at all to back it up and her birth year fits in nicely with their other children.

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