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Missing in 1911 census

Postby nsquared » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:10 pm

In 1889 my paternal grandfather Michael Henry Nathan (1860-1936) married, outside the Jewish faith, Ellen Mary Bossley (1867-1951). As far as I knew, they had two children - my father Charles Henry(1891-1937) and my aunt Sarah Elisabeth (1889-1974). In the 1901 census they are all living together on Fitzroy street, St. Pancras. In 1911 he and his divorced brother Asher (1856-1942) are living together in Kew while the children are earning their livings elsewhere. But Ellen Mary is nowhere to be found in the 1911 census.

Thanks to the 1939 register, I discovered that in 1916 she had married one Thomas George William Reed (1877-1952) giving her condition as Widow (and I have found no evidence of any divorce). And that she had a daughter Nellie Nathan, also known as Nellie Reed, born in 1904 with my grandfather given as her father on her birth certificate! Nellie & TGW Reed are also nowhere to be found on the 1911 census.

The only other information that I have found is that Ellen Mary was admitted to the Lewisham High Street Workhouse, Lewisham, Kent on 25 July 1910 being joined by Nellie 2 days later. They were both discharged at own request on 13 August.

I really, really want to find out what happened to them between 1901 and 1916 and would welcome any suggestions as to where else I might look.
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Re: Missing in 1911 census

Postby ciderdrinker » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:14 am

Welcome to the forum.
I do have a few suggestions but i'm not sure how helpful they will be .Like you i can't find any of them on the 1911 census.
Firstly did Thomas George William Reed serve in the war? Are there any service records for him.
I was surprised to see he was elected to the Urban District council for the North Ward of Milton in 1921.He had run in 1920 as well.So he should be a registered voter.How long had he been on the electoral Register there?
Then there are school records for Nellie .She must have gone to school somewhere.
I searched those for London using her date of birth and no luck
The nearest is an Eleanor Kate Wilson father George with that birth date at Cottenham Road School Islington in 1907.
I can't see her on the 1911 census.In fact no sign of the Wilson family at all.

You could try Kent schools and see if you have any luck there.Not sure how Kent works when it comes to schools.

ps I don't know if you are aware but there was a third child for Michael and Ellen it seems
Rose Nathan born Mar qtr 1901 Pancras mothers mdn Bossley.
Sadly she died the same quarter.

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Re: Missing in 1911 census

Postby avaline » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:43 am

I’m not sure what documents you have, but there is this a brief record from the workhouse Interview Committee, as follows:

Ellen Nathan 44 Cook admitted 25 Jul 1910 from 2 New Cottages, Southend. A note is then added in separately “child Nellie (6) is also now in this workhouse”. Under the column ‘remarks’ it says “New Case. In hands of Suptd(?) Offr – A Regd letter has been sent the man but he has taken no notice” Folio in Creed Register: 129 ... 4888-00061

The Creed Register lists both Ellen & Nellie, and gives Ellen’s Relative or Friend as Husband Michael, 6 Mortimer Street, Tottenham Court Road ... 4928-00390
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Re: Missing in 1911 census

Postby Templ4r » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:43 am

He wrote a letter to 10 Downing st in 1919 about the state of houses in Milton, Ciderdrinker, so he's prominent in the place by then.

Still no trace of him anywhere before the 1916 marriage though.

There is one released from prison in 1914 but I doubt that's him.
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Re: Missing in 1911 census

Postby MoVidger » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:50 pm

I've been following this thread with keen interest. I wonder why Ellen and Nellie went from a Southend (South-end-on-Sea?) address to the Lewisham workhouse? Although I do note Ellen was from Kent. I've tried using the Address search in FMP for the occupants in 1911, but no luck. Could the full address be 2, New Cottages, Rebels Lane, Great Wakering, Southend-On-Sea?

Nellie and Ellen's Sittingbourne address in the 1939 Register is a stone's throw from where my Mum was born. It appears Nellie's husband was a paper mill labourer, probably at Lloyds Paper Mill. My Mum's family also worked there. Small world. :o
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Re: Missing in 1911 census

Postby paulr1949 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:43 pm

It may not help, but there is a Southend in Catford, just south of Lewisham.

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Re: Missing in 1911 census

Postby MoVidger » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:20 pm

Good find, Paul. Address in Ancestry as below. Percy Mole and wife Alice reside at the address in the 1911 census with two boarders.

Street address: 2 New Cottages, Southend Village, Southend, Catford, London S E
Registration district: Lewisham
Registration District Number: 29
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Piece: 2795
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