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Postby AnnieScot » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:40 pm

Roderick Kane

Can't find any details of service in Army at National Archives without knowing Regiment.

His daughter Ann (also known as Nancy or Annie) Kane's marriage certificate (Killowen CoI) 12/1/1870 listed her father as Rodger Kane 'Soldier' and mother as Agnes Hemphill.

Nancyc claimed Poor Relief in Glasgow in 1877 and her father was listed as 'Roderick Kean Pensioner deceased'.

Her death certificate (reported by her husband) in 1919 in Glasgow records her father as 'Roderick Kane Sergeant in Army deceased' and mother as 'Annie Kane or Imphill'.

So it seems he was a soldier/sergeant and pensioner therefore British Army I can't find any trace of Roderick or Rodger in National Archives or birth/marriage death anywhere so if anyone can help re pinpointing regiment I'd appreciate it as it's driving me crazy!
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Re: Regiment needed Coleraine 1800s

Postby MoVidger » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:50 pm

There is the following military service record on Find My Past (see below). If this might be your chap, send me a PM with your email address and I'll send you the actual image.

The image offers more information, and indicates the soldier's Date of Admission was 1829. Statement of Service: Private - 21.151. Occupation: Laborer. Cause of Discharge: "General dibility and imperfect vision". Where born: Aghadowey, Derry. Height: 5-7", Eyes: blue, Hair: brown, Complexion: fair.

First name(s) Roderick
Last name Kean
Birth year -
Year 1834
Regiment Royal Artillery
Regiment / service number as transcribed: 1st Battn Arty
Pension year 1829
Pension age 44
County Londonderry (Derry)
Series Wo 23 - Royal Hospital Chelsea: Admission Books, Registers, And Papers 1702-1876
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 23
Piece number 141
Piece description Register of ordnance pensioners: sections A and B.
Year range 1834
Record set British Army Service Records
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Re: Regiment needed Coleraine 1800s

Postby AdrianB38 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:31 pm

Roderick Kean of the 1st Battalion of Artillery died 13 March 1855, aged 72. (We have yet to see confirmation that this is the chap in question, mind).

There are 3 records in FindMyPast for this Roderick:
- the line in the pension register found by Mo;
- his discharge record in WO 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913 - note the allowances on the reverse of this form to get him, his wife and 3 children from Woolwich to Coleraine by canal, sea and foot (I have never seen anything like this!)
- notice of his pension ceasing by death in WO 22 - Royal Hospital Chelsea: Returns Of Payment Of Army And Other Pensions 1842-1883

Just do a search on Roderick Kean in FMP's Military records but note that in one case his name is indexed as Rodrick, so be sure to switch on Name Variants.
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Re: Regiment needed Coleraine 1800s

Postby AdrianB38 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:33 pm

NB - his pension was being paid by the Londonderry district at his death (page before from his details) so he probably died in that rough area.
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Re: Regiment needed Coleraine 1800s

Postby AnnieScot » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:26 pm

Thanks to both - I have had a look at the suggestions on FMP but I am concerned that the Roderick may not be the same one (?potentially 'my' Roderick's father?). My rationale is that he was on Nancy's marriage certificate (1870) as a 'soldier' then on poor house record (1877) as a 'Pensioner' and on her death certificate as 'sergeant/deceased'.

The Roderick who was found died in 1855 and remained a private for his full service.

I did find an entry in the Coleraine Chronicle (20/7/1850) re training/drilling local pensioners and the help of 'Sergeant Kane' was acknowledged.
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Re: Regiment needed Coleraine 1800s

Postby AdrianB38 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:18 pm

Hm - the only real problem in that lot is the rank - marriages often do not say that someone is deceased when they are. And even that might not be an issue if he was made a sergeant in the militia or whatever...

When and where was Nancy born?
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Re: Regiment needed Coleraine 1800s

Postby MoVidger » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:22 pm

If it were me, I wouldn't be too hung up about the rank, as noted by his son-in-law. I have several Scottish ancestors who were listed with 'inaccurate' occupations by their son-in-laws during the 19th-century. Even the names of the deceased would be recalled with inaccuracy. :roll:

With reference to military ranks, both my grandfather and great-uncle accepted a reversion in their rank, following temporary promotions during the Boer War and First World War.

Also, isn't Aghadowey a parish in Coleraine? The chap Adrian and I found is from Aghadowey (see my original post).
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Re: Regiment needed Coleraine 1800s

Postby AnnieScot » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:07 pm

Thanks guys! Unfortunately I can't find any trace of Nancy's (Ann/Agnes) birth. Estimated c1850 as 'full age' when married in 1870 and fits with poor house records and death certificate ages.
Take your word for it re the parish! Re the son in law - he was a bit of a chancer but was separated when Nancy died so no reason for him to elevate her fathers status


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Re: Regiment needed Coleraine 1800s

Postby AdrianB38 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:10 am

Is she in the Scottish censuses? I'm trying to see if she fits with the FMP pensioner's life...

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Re: Regiment needed Coleraine 1800s

Postby AnnieScot » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:19 pm

Hi Adrian
Nancy is in the Scottish census for 1881,1891 and 1901.
She went back to Ireland x 2 to have children (rest were born in Glasgow)

There is also a GRONI record for Nancy Kane (widow) death 1872 age 52/Dealer of Killowen Street, Killowen ('my' Nancy was married in Killowen PC); and another for Nancy Kane (widow of a labourer) died 1868 age 69 at Laurel Hill Killowen. Possibly 1 could be my Nancy's mother.

Also re links to Artillery, there is a Roderick Kone, age 48/Tailor, on the Woolwich Arsenal Census 1841 (wife Margaret age 40) and 2 sons William (4) and John (3).

Interestingly (!!) there is also a Roderick Kane born in Ireland in the 1891 Glasgow Census (age 28) as a Boarder but in the 1911 Census he is married to Annie age 48 (also born in Ireland). He is a Harbour labourer. He died in Alloway in 1932 age 72 and his father is registered as Roderick Kane (tailor!) deceased and mother Mary Ann Kenny.

Don't know if any of this helps!!
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