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When did John Smith die

Postby Mariner Aus » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:23 am

Hi all

I'm trying to identify the death date of my great grandmother's eldest brother John Smith of Liverpool.

I know he passed away sometime between 1901 and 1911. He is alive in the 1901 census, aged 19 (Mill porter) living with his father Thomas and mother Margaret Ann at 9 in 3 court Gilbert Street.

In the 1911 census, John's father Thomas is listed as a widower living at 4 in 8 court Lower Milk Street. Total children listed born alive was 8 and I have been able to trace 2 of the 3 listed deceased children. I know Tom has to be the 3rd deceased child, as I have traced all his other siblings.

He was born 22nd September 1882 in Liverpool son of Thomas Smith and Margaret Ann Milligan.

I have purchased two other death certs for John Smith in Liverpool from the following years but both have proven to be the wrong man:

15th Jan 1903 to Liverpool (Aged 20 yrs born in Canada) (GRO ref = 1903 Mar LIVERPOOL 08B 74)

18th July 1906 to 74 Boundary Street Liverpool (Aged 24yrs Dock labourer) (GRO ref = 1906 Sept LIVERPOOL 08B 37)

This 3rd death cert I'm not sure about as the witness is listed as M Smith (his wife) and I can't find any trace of him getting married.

9th April 1908 to Liverpool 25 Marlborough Street (Aged 26 years Journeyman cooper) (GRO ref = 1908 Jun LIVERPOOL 08B 24)

Can anyone help me identify when he would have passed away?

Thanks again

Kind regards

Pieter
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Re: When did John Smith die

Postby sdup26 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:53 pm

You say you "know" he passed away between 1901 and 1911. Is that because you've been told he died, or are you assuming it because you can't find him anywhere else? Searching is difficult anyway with a name like John Smith, but have you checked Military Records, especially for the 2nd Boer War (1899 - 1902) in case he joined up and didn't return?
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Re: When did John Smith die

Postby Mariner Aus » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:27 pm

Hi sdup26

Thanks for your reply. That's a valid point you raise, i believe he would have stayed in Liverpool due to the close nature of his family. But l have been wrong before so who knows, maybe he did fight in the boer war. I did a quick search but i couldnt find find any liverpool based John Smiths in the service records.

Thanks again

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Re: When did John Smith die

Postby sdup26 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:00 pm

Do you know if John was a Catholic? There's an entry for the burial of a John Smith, aged 27, at Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, 30th June 1910, listed in Liverpool Catholic Burials. The corresponding BMD entry seems to be JQ 1910, John Smith, 27, West Derby 8b 181.
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Re: When did John Smith die

Postby Mariner Aus » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:20 am

Hi sdup26. Yes john's family were catholic. I will order the cert to check it out. Thank you so much!

Regards

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Re: When did John Smith die

Postby Mariner Aus » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:33 am

Hi sdup26,

I ordered the death cert from 1910 for John Smith in West Derby but it wasn't him unfortunately.

Back to the drawing board I guess

Thanks for your help

Regards

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Re: When did John Smith die

Postby sdup26 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:24 pm

I'm sorry about that Pieter. I carried on looking, and for example in 1911, there's a John Smith married to Esther and living with cousins called Mulligan (Mulligan/Milligan?) - but otherwise, very frustrating, as you've found! There are quite a lot of John Smiths sailing from Liverpool in the early 1900's, to America, Canada & Australia. Any family stories along those lines? Or do you feel there has to be a UK death somewhere?
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Re: When did John Smith die

Postby Mariner Aus » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:56 pm

Hi sdup26,

Sorry for the belated response. I have also seen that particular John Smith record from 1911 and that could actually be him...which would mean his father Thomas incorrectly transcribed him as being one of his three deceased children on his census record. John Smith's mother was in fact Margaret Ann Milligan who passed away in 1905. So the John Smith married to Esther living with the Mulligans/Milligans could in fact be his cousins.

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