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Date of photo Cambridgeshire 1900s

Postby TerryM » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:58 am

The attached photograph was found in my grandmother’s photo album (Maud Mary Martin (b. 1894), I am hoping it is a photo of her mother and two of her younger siblings, but that will only work if it was taken between 1900 – 1905. I suspect it might be later, based on style of the lady’s dress. The photo is printed on a postcard, nothing significant on rear. It is likely that the family were involved in agriculture in Cambridgeshire, England.
Is the smaller child a boy or girl? I am trying to date the photo. Any advice appreciated.
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Re: Date of photo Cambridgeshire 1900s

Postby KayFarndon » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:46 pm

I would hazard a guess that it could be anywhere between 1880 and 1910, as styles for children did not change much and sailor suits were favoured for a long time.
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Date of photo Cambridgeshire 1900s

Postby brunes08 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:59 pm

I seem to remember reading about postcards on this Forum. If the back of the card is separated into two parts, one for the address and the other for a message, this style was available from about 1906/8 - can't quite remember which though. If your card does not have this separation then it could be much earlier - which unfortunately doesn't help you as postcards were available from about the middle of the 1870s in the UK. There are lots of sites on the history of postcards but I could't find the relevant date detail though.
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Re: Date of photo Cambridgeshire 1900s

Postby TerryM » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:49 pm

KayFarndon wrote:I would hazard a guess that it could be anywhere between 1880 and 1910, as styles for children did not change much and sailor suits were favoured for a long time.

Thank you for that, I agree about the children's clothes, I think the answer may lie in the lady's dress. Most family photos I have seen from 1880 - 1900 show a more formal style with high necklines on dresses.
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Re: Date of photo Cambridgeshire 1900s

Postby ermin79 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:33 pm

The back of the postcard will help you date it after 1902 if its a split back, see this post which might help:

viewtopic.php?p=8#p8

For what its worth i think the style of dress is after 1905, but the photo detective site mentioned in the link may give you some more pointers


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Re: Date of photo Cambridgeshire 1900s

Postby TerryM » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:13 pm

ermin79 wrote:The back of the postcard will help you date it after 1902 if its a split back, see this post which might help:

viewtopic.php?p=8#p8

For what its worth i think the style of dress is after 1905, but the photo detective site mentioned in the link may give you some more pointers


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Thanks for feedback, but link does not seem to work
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Re: Date of photo Cambridgeshire 1900s

Postby ermin79 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:01 pm

Sorry am using the app and it is supposed to copy the post URL but clearly its not working. These are the details that might help you.

"As far as I am aware, postcards with a split back only came into existence in 1902 in the UK and the back shown (with no mention of inland communication only or specific countries ) would date it to post 1908, as this is when they became accepted to be posted throughout the world.

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I have recently found a site (www.photodetective.co.uk ) which might help with some more pointers on dating it, although i have yet to use it myself."

A general rule is the more printing on the reverse of a split back postcard - ie. It states inland postage only or omits certain countries, the closer you can date it to a year between 1902 and 1908.

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Re: Date of photo Cambridgeshire 1900s

Postby TerryM » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:27 pm

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Thanks ERMIN79 and brunes08 for your advice on dating postcards. When I first posted the photo, most of the rear of the photo was not visible as it had been stuck in the album with glue and subsequently cut out with the album page still stuck to it. I have carefully removed this layer and exposed the rear of the card.
From the hat style, the lady’s glasses and type of postcard I deduce that it was rather later than I hoped – I suspect it is later than 1905 and nearer to 1914.
From the site: "photodetective" mentioned above
1) “The divided back postcard dates from 1904, before then only the address could be written on the back” - therefore after 1904
2) Hat style looks much closer to 1911 comparing with photos of High Crown hat of 1911 – 1914
3) WW1 – “Wire framed spectacles had existed since Victorian times but found mainly on older people. The attitude to spectacles which had produced the monocle and pince nez had vanished.”
The site mentioned has a wealth of information about dating photos, but the navigation is very quirky and looks as if it has not been updated for quite a while.

Thus the photo is unlikely to be my great grandmother. However I would welcome any further comments that could tie the date more accurately, and thus find other candidates for identification

I have attached a scan of the rear of the photo if anyone has any further comments. The two vertical letters s between the words Correspondence and Address are “BS”
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Re: Date of photo Cambridgeshire 1900s

Postby Ivan Watson » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:51 am

Hi there,

Not sure if this will help, but the stamped lettering on the back looks very similar to postcards in my collection from my great grandfather that are dated 1916. See enclosed image.

Good luck with your research!

Cheers,

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