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Re: WW1 Uniform

Postby ianbee » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:25 am

Hi
Ancestry use optical character recognition to index those electoral registers. It's very odd how it consistently fails to give us some names, when it finds others.
If you go to their London Electoral Registers database here
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1795

You can then either attempt to find Ewell Place, Camberwell manually for those missing years, or put in another name that the OCR might manage to find.
After a few failures, I found a name it did pick up for some of those years, Julia Isted
Not ideal, because she is not in Ewell Place but in the next street listed. Sometimes she is on the same page as Stanley Gilman, but she may be on the one following.
But searching for her should quickly get you to Ewell Place. For later years you may have to find another name to use, I don't know.

I've found the 1951 Ordnance Survey map showing Ewell Place (directly below the Surrey Canal)
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18 ... layers=173

If you use the box on the left to select the 1893-5 series, it appears to be shown then as Bath Place
Ian
EDIT! Stanley Gilman, of course (not James, as I typed!)
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Re: WW1 Uniform

Postby Pam Phillips » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:41 am

Ian,
Just found it.
Thank you,
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Re: WW1 Uniform

Postby Pam Phillips » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:06 pm

Just had a play with the maps, brilliant aren't they. The canal has gone and the whole area changed, had a look on streetview.
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Re: WW1 Uniform

Postby Pam Phillips » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:31 pm

Hi Ian,
I couldn't resist sending for Stanley T's birth certificate, and you were right, it says Stanley's father is an ex-Sgt in the KRR,(Kings Royal Rifles), which fits with one of the medal cards.
Thank you very much for your help,
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Re: WW1 Uniform

Postby ianbee » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:43 pm

Hi Pam
That is really good news!
According to the medal rolls Stanley was in the 20th Battalion. The British Empire League Pioneers.
Don't think there are any war diaries online. But there is an interesting history available on archive.org
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Re: WW1 Uniform

Postby Pam Phillips » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:32 pm

Please tell me how you read the medal card to get all that information. It seems to me to have so little information. Have found a very good short history of the Corps.
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Re: WW1 Uniform

Postby ianbee » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:11 pm

Hi Pam
On ancestry, UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=5119

Tells us that Stanley was in the 20th Battalion
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Re: WW1 Uniform

Postby Pam Phillips » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:22 am

Ian,
Thank you so much - I've learnt a lot.
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Re: WW1 Uniform

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:50 pm

Hi Pam
A development re Stanley
A new record on findmypast - it's just a list of names, not a service record - S Gilman, 9105, of the King's Royal Rifle Corps
Gives his address, 12 Ewell Place. And after you had bought that certificate too (sorry about that, but then who was to know?)
And he is a cadet, as suggested by Adrian. That seems to tie in with your photograph? The list seems to be regarding soldiers being demobilized.

Can be found on findmypast, in their database British Army Service Records, just updated today (including officer records). Read about it here
https://blog.findmypast.co.uk/british-a ... 65441.html
Military records are free to view on there at the moment, you just need to register (which should be simple)
Have they done away with the Army Service Records 1914-1920 as a separate database?
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Re: WW1 Uniform

Postby AdrianB38 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:35 pm

Fascinating - he appears in 3 sets of papers, all 3 sets being someone else's papers, with probably the same document in each. As Ian says, the document concerns 1919 demobilisation and one of the sets goes backwards on the arrows in FMP, to reveal that it's for the Officer Cadet Battalion, Kilworth on 14 February 1919. Based on the fact that he's described as a cadet, he never finished the course (no idea how long it took) - which is why I never found reference to him as an officer in the London Gazette.

Good spot.

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